will russia do? bay they traditionally have been tied to the current syrian government. what will china do? so it's still not a done deal. but very powerful u.n. investigator, karla del pointe, win after and mill lows victim indicted. >> shep even if you were able to get the russians on board and they would say, yes, war crimes on both sides, what does that do to stop the killing? >> well well, the internal court has a great holly pulpit. it doesn't have the able to stop the killings. that's up to the security council the permanent members, and my hope, shep, is that -- i would like to see -- i think u.s. policy has been good, but maybe the time has come to help the other side, the opposition groups, the rebels, with some weaponry, some training. >> shepard: is that what you're advocating? >> i think we need to step up to that plate now. i think the atrocities are so huge, there's talk of chemical weapons being used. i just think the time has come to turn it up a bit. not american troops. not massive